Day One Feedback

[Rickaroni]

First off, I'd like to commend the developers/admins/staff for the hard work they've clearly put in to get this server relaunched. I think it's been a real labor of love and their dedication and hard work is very apparent. 

 

A conversation amongst some of the staff and faction leaders occurred this evening and we came to the agreement that a thread needs to be written where constructive (keyword) feedback can be bounced off of each other in the hopes of improving the server. Some of the things mentioned are as follows:

 

1: The "lowering" of standards is something we aren't necessarily fond of. We understand that a player base is needed to keep this server alive so lowering the standards (for lack of a better word) to draw in more people seems like a good idea. Fair enough. However removing the whitelist along with it might have been too much. Perhaps bring the server to "Medium" RP but maintain some sort of whitelist. OR, remove the whitelist but maintain the high level of RP standards and realism that we've come to hold ourselves to (and let the rule breakers and "bad" roleplayers get weeded out over time). 

 

2: The supplier system seems... off. The new darkweb system, very cool idea in theory, doesn't necessarily lend itself to a roleplay environment. Large gangs, Irish dockworkers, LCN families, are getting their guns and drugs from the dark web? In the largest city in America? Again, "medium rp" I get it, but this is a little immersion breaking. Perhaps keeping the usual supplier system for large, official, established factions, and allowing the darkweb be a way for smaller factions to get drugs. Perhaps make some of those drugs bought on the dark net be "duds" as if they were a scam. Maybe take it a step further and allow Law Enforcement to post ads on the dark web selling drugs as a sting operation. It's a great idea, but I think it needs to be steered in a different direction. Perhaps make official factions be forced suppliers. If Amato gets a large gun supply, make it a necessity that they sell it off to X number of smaller gangs. I don't know, it's just an idea. If we're subverting immersion and realism for the sake of accessibility to the masses then there's no reason why that can't be done.

 

3: I think the definition of "medium" rp is very subjective and we expected something a little more heavy-leaning.  From what we gather, you wanted to make it easier for people to get their hands on drugs, guns, etc. That's a great idea, and it might work, but you shouldn't alienate the hard work that long standing factions or roleplayers have put in to create an immersive environment. Nervous stated in a previous thread that if players want to RP heavy, they can, if they want to RP medium, they can. I love the sentiment, but I feel as though there will be a lot of conflict when HeavyRPFaction interacts with MediumRPFaction and the standard of roleplay is different. In an ideal world everyone could coexist but with an interactive ecosystem like this, I'm afraid it's not possible. 

 

4: The money for world points system is a little weird. It's a business, Nervous has to keep the lights on, I get it. But when you're allowing these sorts of transactions (WP for vehicles and whatnot), it definitely feels a little Pay2Win. Anytime there's real life money being exchanged for ingame items it feels that way. Just my personal opinion. 

 

My suggestion? Look at further ways to create nuance in the supplier system  so that the more work a faction does (immersion, playerbase, etc) the more they receive or at least make it so they receive it in a way that's immersive and realistic. And my biggest suggestion is to bring the standard of roleplay and immersion up. Removing the whitelist, I think, would have been enough to bring players in, we didn't have to sacrifice realism and roleplay immersion as well.

Edited March 8 by Rickaroni

[Narconomics]

I'll quote something I directly said on Discord in the LC FM chat with @WirelessMind related to a SAMP Medium RP server that LC could follow:

 

[WirelessMind]

Personally I think the server took a low rp path instead of medium. When you think of medium you think of PRRP, RCRP, and servers like that. Not servers like ngg, sarp, and sol from samp which were low rp not medium. The systems just inflate issues the server had during the previous opening, anyone can craft guns and drugs, the server already was flooded before cause there was way to many suppliers making it so there was no market or economy cause nobody could supply anything cause everyone had stuff. Now we don't even have it just restricted to many suppliers, everyone has the ability now which absolutely removes any sort of flow and market.

 

When people though medium rp for faction, they though the old samp way. Factions work to get official which keeps up all the factions motivation, those factions that get chosen to be official based of the quality and activity of there faction would get faction warehouses, faction chat, and a faction business.  For the faction warehouse it was basically setup so the official factions could get there own supply with out waiting for staff as it would allow staff to select what the faction could and couldn't buy and how much they could get weekly, automatically resetting each week. This system had many perks... It kept people active and motivated to shoot for official, it allowed less stress on fm as they didn't have to keep up with official faction shipments through manual requests, and it made it so each official faction got access to different sorts of things based on the type of faction they had, adding variety to the server. Based off how PR's system was, official organized factions would get heavier guns, pistols and possibly hard drugs depending on the concept while street gangs would get a sort of drug that makes sense for there concept and again depending on the concept they would possibly get handguns as well. This system would create a need for flow amongst factions, making ic connections as important as they should be.

[IHaveTheHighGround]

1, First day and I got shot up in Schottler just for walking around towards people I thought could be nice to roleplay with. I was apparently mistaken for an opp and was killed. It was alright tho as the shooters apologized on the mistake. I reached out to an admin via /report about what to do following the accidential death and after being revived I got vehicle deathmatched about >2 minutes after from a rental car going at a high speed. The standards should really still be kept at some sort of a higher level as I think that it could lead to some players, especially new players, leaving.

Edited March 8 by IHaveTheHighGround
clairifcation fixes

[Mamajana]

1 hour ago, IHaveTheHighGround said:

1, First day and I got shot up in Schottler just for walking around towards people I thought could be nice to roleplay with. I was apparently mistaken for an opp and was killed. It was alright tho as the shooters apologized on the mistake. I reached out to an admin via /report about what to do following the accidential death and after being revived I got vehicle deathmatched about >2 minutes after from a rental car going at a high speed. The standards should really still be kept at some sort of a higher level as I think that it could lead to some players, especially new players, leaving.

If your first reaction on the first day on a medium-rp server is to get butthurt and report someone, perhaps you should try playing on the LS server. It's not gonna lead to new players leaving, it's only gonna result in hardcore no-lifer RPers leaving, which is actually very good if you think about it.

 

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Personally I think the server took a low rp path instead of medium. When you think of medium you think of PRRP, RCRP, and servers like that. Not servers like ngg, sarp, and sol from samp which were low rp not medium. The systems just inflate issues the server had during the previous opening, anyone can craft guns and drugs, the server already was flooded before cause there was way to many suppliers making it so there was no market or economy cause nobody could supply anything cause everyone had stuff. Now we don't even have it just restricted to many suppliers, everyone has the ability now which absolutely removes any sort of flow and market.

 

When people though medium rp for faction, they though the old samp way. Factions work to get official which keeps up all the factions motivation, those factions that get chosen to be official based of the quality and activity of there faction would get faction warehouses, faction chat, and a faction business.  For the faction warehouse it was basically setup so the official factions could get there own supply with out waiting for staff as it would allow staff to select what the faction could and couldn't buy and how much they could get weekly, automatically resetting each week. This system had many perks... It kept people active and motivated to shoot for official, it allowed less stress on fm as they didn't have to keep up with official faction shipments through manual requests, and it made it so each official faction got access to different sorts of things based on the type of faction they had, adding variety to the server. Based off how PR's system was, official organized factions would get heavier guns, pistols and possibly hard drugs depending on the concept while street gangs would get a sort of drug that makes sense for there concept and again depending on the concept they would possibly get handguns as well. This system would create a need for flow amongst factions, making ic connections as important as they should be.

I don't know in which era of LS-RP you were active, but past 2014-2015 the circulation of weapons was horrific and had caused the price of a single Deagle to be above $100k-150k, unless you had OOC friends in official factions, then it was way easier. And before you say anything, I was in an official faction and saw first-hand the amount of OOC involvement in the arms trade. Gatekeeping was rampant and factions only sold guns to each other, not to unaffiliated players or criminals.

Those who want script rewards as a motivation in order to create a faction and then complain about the lack of realism or such incentives, perhaps they aren't as interested in roleplay as much as they're claiming.

[IHaveTheHighGround]

48 minutes ago, Mamajana said:

If your first reaction on the first day on a medium-rp server is to get butthurt and report someone, perhaps you should try playing on the LS server. It's not gonna lead to new players leaving, it's only gonna result in hardcore no-lifer RPers leaving, which is actually very good if you think about it.

 

I don't know in which era of LS-RP you were active, but past 2014-2015 the circulation of weapons was horrific and had caused the price of a single Deagle to be above $100k-150k, unless you had OOC friends in official factions, then it was way easier. And before you say anything, I was in an official faction and saw first-hand the amount of OOC involvement in the arms trade. Gatekeeping was rampant and factions only sold guns to each other, not to unaffiliated players or criminals.

Those who want script rewards as a motivation in order to create a faction and then complain about the lack of realism or such incentives, perhaps they aren't as interested in roleplay as much as they're claiming.

 

I didn't report the person as it is a medium roleplay server as you said and it was the first day. I reported on if I should revive or accept death since I was not involved in anyway with the scene. A genuine question. I am saying that it could frustrate new players if they are in roleplay and someone vehicle deathmatches them for no reason. Yes, It is a medium roleplayer server but there are still rules for a reason so that everyone can enjoy the server. 

Edited March 8 by IHaveTheHighGround

[Dustyn]

I'd like to say thank you to the developers and admins for their hard work, overall I don't think the server is bad. I can get behind no whitelist and medium roleplay, however I have major quarrel with the supplier system, I believe a more traditional approach should be taken and perhaps a different way to let new players access guns. I understand what the developers were trying to do with the new system, however I very much dislike it and believe it needs major work and revamped. I'm all for everyone being able to purchase weapons, and a larger access to them but the current system feels like more of a roblox game at the moment. Other than the supplier system? I think it's great.

[Narconomics]

25 minutes ago, Dustyn said:

I'd like to say thank you to the developers and admins for their hard work, overall I don't think the server is bad. I can get behind no whitelist and medium roleplay, however I have major quarrel with the supplier system, I believe a more traditional approach should be taken and perhaps a different way to let new players access guns. I understand what the developers were trying to do with the new system, however I very much dislike it and believe it needs major work and revamped. I'm all for everyone being able to purchase weapons, and a larger access to them but the current system feels like more of a roblox game at the moment. Other than the supplier system? I think it's great.

Not just supplier - new chars don't get $5,000 anymore for 40 hours, which is a tricky thing because it results in grinding. I myself, hate grinding with a passion and refuse to do it, but there's no other way to get money besides that, startshift which caps at 12k a day, or darkweb which you need to pay 200k for, ontop of 100k for the faction script.

[Orph]

 

 

First day experience, one of the WORST rp experiences ive ever had

 

 

a car in oncoming makes a U-Turn and then proceeds to try ramming my car off the road, along with 2 friends on a motorcycle to rob me. Wrecking your car for at most 50$? And they later drove around trying to do it to others

 

Thats as low qualitt as it gets, the removal of strict or defined robbery rules gave people like this a playground

 

One of em later got banned for saying ooc hed rape someones underage sister though so at least one bad apple is gone

Edited March 8 by Orph

[shaobadman]

"Why is there grinding on this server that was obviously remade to be more RPG/asset orientated? Why aren't there applications on a server where management openly stated they want to cater to different players?"

 

It's like a community of people who go into McDonald's expecting a fancy gourmet dinner, completely ignoring the renowned five star restaurant across the street that has what they're after.

 

I'm not sure how you could dislike things like grinding, or no applications, or more frequent gunfights/action, when they're core parts of the server's concept. The official announcements couldn't be any clearer than it already is, what most of you are looking for is already in the original server.

 

Management really need to emphasise this part of the original overhaul announcement:

 

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I do know that a small amount of players here were still hoping to relive a strict experience in the Liberty City map, however the majority of the players through the past months have made it clear that it wasn’t their wish, and it made us understand that trying to make two strict roleplay worlds live next to each others was not possible due to a too limited amount of qualified players to play on it.

 

This did not work in the original server, people were only playing it to build assets and when that option went out the window with the merge, everybody jumped ship, even the management realised that nobody wanted the same server twice.

 

The only real problem I have right now is players acting like we're still on the other server, I heard that some PD officers did their typical 30-60 minute arrest on somebody just for running a red light.

 

And this "what is medium roleplay" discussion is also redundant. Read the rules, and compare them to the server rules of the other server, everything you need to know is in there.

 

None of this is as difficult to understand as most of you are making it out to be.